Rebuttal
Okay, so enforce the laws which exist currently? Hmmm No I dont think that is a good idea because if it were perfect to begin with we would not be looking to change them. As I have mentioned to you before the issue is our Govt. does not want to enforce them because there is a need for labor. What we need is to reform it, so that we are able to supply the workers for the demand.
You also mention the school system, and I would encourage you to look at the current school situation in other parts of the U.S. There are several areas, you and I would consider inner cities, which have the very same problem. St. Louis, New York, Richmond, Oakland, and Compton are but a few areas where this exists. Most of these cities one would consider not to be immigrant towns. My point for bringing these places up, is because I dont believe immigration status has much do with this problem. Although a very important policy issue (education) it, in my opinion, would be a socio-economic problem.
You asked me to pretend to be an ICE agent...I am not sure why. I dont blame them for anything that has to do with immigration enforcement, as they are simply looking to do their job. If it were up to me, I would much rather have those agents become police officers and rid are city of real crimes caused by immigrants or not.
Your next question, has to do with identity theft. I am against it. In fact, there was recently a very large sting in OC Register about identity theft, where they used the information to withdraw money from credit cards, ATMS, and bank accounts. This asian group was arrested and found to be guilty of a number of other crimes. With that said, however, undocumented immigrants for the most part do not use identity theft in the way you would like to think so. They are not attempting to cause you and I harm. They are simply looking to have an identity in order to be able to work. Is it wrong? Yes. Again the problem does not lie with them, it lies with the Govt. sending mixed messages. Come work here, you cant work here unless you have an identity, but we will not give you one, find a way? This is the problem.
Lastly you cite some numbers, and I appreciate that. I do have one question though... The numbers you describe there, did you find them on the actual FBI Website or was it found on your biased anti-immigration website. I can find it on the FBI website.
I am sure if you found out the arrest percentage in Santa Ana for undocumented immigrants it would be much higher for obvious reasons...the population there consists of that demographic. How about some numbers nationally. I bet they would not be as alarming as you would like to make them be. Crime is a product of environments. Certain areas are simply more criminally proned then others, but again, it is about socio-economics. Inner Cities usually mean, low income residents, uneducated residents, which usually lead to crime areas. There is no secret there, but the cause is not immigration status, it is poverty. Your solution to reducing crime, is deporting a poor people regardless of immigration status. That would solve your problem...is that what you would like?
Questions for you:
Do you believe there are enough U.S. Citizens or legal residents available in the U.S. willing and able to do the work currently immigrants do?
Do you believe the U.S. would face an economic shock if all undocumented immigrants were deported?
What would be the problem if we legalized the 11 Million undocumented immigrants we currently have in U.S.?
Do you believe the price of goods would rise if there were no undocumented immigrants willing and able to work for peanuts ?
You also mention the school system, and I would encourage you to look at the current school situation in other parts of the U.S. There are several areas, you and I would consider inner cities, which have the very same problem. St. Louis, New York, Richmond, Oakland, and Compton are but a few areas where this exists. Most of these cities one would consider not to be immigrant towns. My point for bringing these places up, is because I dont believe immigration status has much do with this problem. Although a very important policy issue (education) it, in my opinion, would be a socio-economic problem.
You asked me to pretend to be an ICE agent...I am not sure why. I dont blame them for anything that has to do with immigration enforcement, as they are simply looking to do their job. If it were up to me, I would much rather have those agents become police officers and rid are city of real crimes caused by immigrants or not.
Your next question, has to do with identity theft. I am against it. In fact, there was recently a very large sting in OC Register about identity theft, where they used the information to withdraw money from credit cards, ATMS, and bank accounts. This asian group was arrested and found to be guilty of a number of other crimes. With that said, however, undocumented immigrants for the most part do not use identity theft in the way you would like to think so. They are not attempting to cause you and I harm. They are simply looking to have an identity in order to be able to work. Is it wrong? Yes. Again the problem does not lie with them, it lies with the Govt. sending mixed messages. Come work here, you cant work here unless you have an identity, but we will not give you one, find a way? This is the problem.
Lastly you cite some numbers, and I appreciate that. I do have one question though... The numbers you describe there, did you find them on the actual FBI Website or was it found on your biased anti-immigration website. I can find it on the FBI website.
I am sure if you found out the arrest percentage in Santa Ana for undocumented immigrants it would be much higher for obvious reasons...the population there consists of that demographic. How about some numbers nationally. I bet they would not be as alarming as you would like to make them be. Crime is a product of environments. Certain areas are simply more criminally proned then others, but again, it is about socio-economics. Inner Cities usually mean, low income residents, uneducated residents, which usually lead to crime areas. There is no secret there, but the cause is not immigration status, it is poverty. Your solution to reducing crime, is deporting a poor people regardless of immigration status. That would solve your problem...is that what you would like?
Questions for you:
Do you believe there are enough U.S. Citizens or legal residents available in the U.S. willing and able to do the work currently immigrants do?
Do you believe the U.S. would face an economic shock if all undocumented immigrants were deported?
What would be the problem if we legalized the 11 Million undocumented immigrants we currently have in U.S.?
Do you believe the price of goods would rise if there were no undocumented immigrants willing and able to work for peanuts ?
1 Comments:
At 1:48 PM, Agent Orange said…
"Do you believe the price of goods would rise if there were no undocumented immigrants willing and able to work for peanuts?"
So you condone an exploitation of undocumented immigrants?..... Huh?
Nothing new coming from socialist's mouth!
The difference between me an you Luis, will always be that, I condone legality which enables people to demand their rights.
You in contrast condone illegality so people have no rights and are exploited.
-Stan
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