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Tuesday, March 20, 2007

Debate Challenge On Illegal Immigration

This might be fun. There seems to be a very vocal minority on some OC blogs that are very pro open borders. They can't seem to have a dialogue with people like myself who just want the current laws enforced. They resort to the usual "you are a racist/you just hate brown people" smack when the heat becomes too hot. This is their chance to see if they can make some good arguments.

Luis over at Orange Juice has specifically called me out for a debate. This is his or anyone elses chance to see if they can have a debate about this issue without pulling out the racist card.


  • At 7:39 PM, Blogger Agent Orange said…

    Allan you will lose this debate, precisely as you stated. They always use race for defense and hate for attack. You canot debate a socialist.

  • At 8:19 PM, Blogger The Mechanical Eye said…

    You tell 'em, agent orange! Commie socialistas like BustaMeCha always resort to name-calling!


  • At 8:51 PM, Blogger Agent Orange said…

    I forgot, the "name calling" is also favorite socialists crapola. So three things -- race, hate and name calling are three thing socialist abuse. Especially the socialist Sean Mill.

  • At 9:38 PM, Anonymous Phil Paule said…

    Will this debate be carried by live stream on OC BLOG or Orange Juice ?

    Is this a pay per view event ?

    My $$$ is on Allan

  • At 9:59 PM, Blogger Allan Bartlett said…

    I don't think the other side has the intellectual capacity or honesty to hold a serious debate on this subject Phil. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I've seen them at work for the last few years.

  • At 10:56 PM, Blogger Dan Chmielewski said…

    That's OK Allan. Based on the people running your party and your political cause, I'd say intellectual capacity and honesty are two things distinctly missing from conservative Republicans.

    First off, no one ever talksabout fining the companies who hire these workers. How about real enforcement. Massive fines for companies who hire undocumented workers to remove the financial incentive to hire cheap labor. Big business will hate it and we all know which party they favor.

    Reform immigration to document workers so they are paying into the system to offset costs of education and healthcare. Impose a tax on money transfers to Mexico but be prepared to have Mexico do the same to US business interests.

    You guys hate the new living wage imposed by the city and gripe about the les than $10 an hour jobs undocumented workers take. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • At 11:12 PM, Blogger Allan Bartlett said…

    I talk about fining employers all the time Dan and so do J&K, Tom Tancredo, and others in the movement.

    How about real enforcement. Massive fines for companies who hire undocumented workers to remove the financial incentive to hire cheap labor. Big business will hate it and we all know which party they favor.

    Let's do the massive enforcement fine. Yes, yes, yes. All we have to do is enforce existing law on this. That's what I keep reiterating Dan. There are stiff penalties for these scofflaws if they only ever tried prosecuting these cases.

    Last time I checked who's giving to what party, you guys are the ones in charge of Congress now and big business will make their bribes errr I mean donations to your party accordingly. They are whores. They play to both sides and you know it. You guys are the ones who benefit politically from a massive amnesty. All those poor Mexicans will look to you to hand out social welfare benefits to them after they get their unearned citizenship. That's what Al Gore did prior to the 2000 election. He gave citizenship to a bunch of criminal aliens because he knew they are more apt to vote Dem than GOP.

  • At 11:57 PM, Blogger Agent Orange said…

    Tis is of topic Allan, but I have noticed that you are a commodities broker. Dos it also include FX market? I am currently developing program a.k.a. "indicator" and "expert" for MT4 platform.

    You can monitor my testing on demo accounts at http://merlin4x.com which is my site.

  • At 6:56 AM, Blogger Allan Bartlett said…

    I only do futures and futures options Stan. We used to do some FX, but not anymore.

  • At 8:31 AM, Blogger Agent Orange said…

    Are you good broker Allan?

    The automated FX trading using MT4 platform is very interesting and highly profitable concept.

    Right now I have MT4 EXPERT which is doing in an average about 75%. I have started "test0" at merlin4x.com so you can monitor how it is doing if you are interested.

    The test is running nonstop from last night until Friday 13:00 when marked will close.

    A lot size is $0.1 and initial investment is $250

  • At 8:36 AM, Blogger Allan Bartlett said…

    I mostly am trading options on the S&P 500 and the metals complex.

    I think I'm a great broker of course :)

  • At 4:59 PM, Blogger mantra77 said…

    If you go against your group interests while black you're an uncle tom, if you do so while white you're open-minded. If you express group interests while black you're standing up for your people, if you do so while white you're racist.

    "Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries."

    "The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them."

    "Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites."

    "What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?"

    "How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?"

    "And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?"

    "But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews."

    "They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white."

    "Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white."



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